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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 12:30 pm
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Read this today....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/8282356.stm

The BBC wrote:
Harry Potter author JK Rowling missed out on a top honour because some US politicians believed she "encouraged witchcraft", it has been claimed.

Matt Latimer, former speech writer for President George W Bush, said that some members of his administration believed her books promoted sorcery.

As a result, she was never presented with the Presidential Medal of Freedom.


Reading this made me angry. Of course, we don't know if it's actually true, but personally I don't doubt it. I am so thoroughly sick of this kind of crap. It's complete nonsense. But then again, it's coming from the same people who tend to think Obama is a Muslim and that all Arabs are terrorists.

By the way, it's the last day of this year's Banned Books Week! I should have posted about it before.... Have you read a banned book lately? Remember that one of the most vital and empowering freedoms we have is the freedom to read.

*pins on his official ACLU "I Read Banned Books" pin and goes off to read some HP*
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 2:50 pm
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Ah, that reminds me of when I was 11 and completely obsessed with the books. My mom was a little weary and thought that maybe I would try doing witchcraft or something. Which was a little warranted because I was searching for potions and such online so I could make pretend with them. Anyway, I urged her to read them and then she became more obsessed with them than I.

However, I did not start practicing witchcraft or anything and I really do think it's ridiculous and stupid that she isn't getting the top honour because they believe it promotes witchcraft. If I recall correctly, JKR even said that that wasn't her intention. She just wanted to write a fun story.

One of my favorite YA authors, John Green, is in the process of being banned and is accused of writing pornography. He has like one awkward sex scene in his book Looking For Alaska and it's nothing like pornography. If you want to read his rant, it's on his blog. http://www.sparksflyup.com/weblog.php
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 5:57 pm
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Eeewww I hate the right side, well I mean the ridiculous part. I don't necessarily love the harry potter books as much as a lot of people, but I won't deny they're good books. People who think it's promoting sorcery obviously have no place in government. Perhaps we should decline voting rights for the southeast US=D
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 6:15 pm
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Harry Potter is a good story and a fun read but it isn't more than that. I don't think the witchcraft thing had much to do with it or even anything. Looking at the list of recipients (the ones I recognize) are of a different sort. Maybe in the future Harry Potter will stand the test of time and its influence will be seen, but Bush was right not to give the award to J.K. Rowling.

A quick wiki-check and the Presidential Medal of Honor is awarded for "An especially meritorious contribution to the security or national interests of the United States, world peace, cultural or other significant public or private endeavors." Harry Potter, really? The author of the article was just trying to stir up (in his cauldron clearly) trouble and found some obliging participants.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 6:41 pm
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In the name of his most holy eminence, patron saint of republic strategy, saint rove, we should have burned that witch long ago.

Actually...what meg said.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 7:38 pm
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Well, fundamentally I agree about the artistic merits of HP...and I'm a huge HP fan. But if the book's allegations are true, the reason she was denied the award had nothing to do with artistic merits and everything to do with idiotic notions that the books encourage satanism and witchcraft.

I mean, this stuff comes from the same Administration that thought the Army should stop accommodating Wiccans and only allowed pentagrams to be placed on the graves of deceased Wiccan soldiers after a lawsuit. I don't doubt at all that hostility to pagans and others who didn't fit the neocon Judeo-Christian mold was a factor in this and many others actions taken that we don't even know about yet.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 7:38 pm
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Although to her merit, Rowling got people to read that I wasn't aware could read. That could certainly fall under that 'culture' part, except they just read her books and stopped.
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Yeah, that's a problem I've encountered...my older teenage cousins have all read HP and Twilight, but that's it. I don't think I've ever seen them pick up another book. *sigh*
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 10:25 pm
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Dudde wrote:
Eeewww I hate the right side, well I mean the ridiculous part. I don't necessarily love the harry potter books as much as a lot of people, but I won't deny they're good books. People who think it's promoting sorcery obviously have no place in government. Perhaps we should decline voting rights for the southeast US=D


hey now, i live in the southeast and i voted for psl( http://www.pslweb.org/site/PageServer ) this last election
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Patrick wrote:
Yeah, that's a problem I've encountered...my older teenage cousins have all read HP and Twilight, but that's it. I don't think I've ever seen them pick up another book. *sigh*


*cringes in shock*

For starters, I ask what exactly is wrong with witchcraft? If people are worried that american citizens will start taking it upon themselves to make fairy circles, brew herbal concoctions, and attempt to manufacture a broomstick with rockets attatched for flight(which would be awsome), then so what? It's not the worst thing people could be doing honestly. It's not like Harry Potter advocates mass murders or torturing of kids named Neville. You might as well start banning Disney classics because many of them feature more radical ideas than Harry Potter.

Since sorcery is commonly accepted to be fallicious at best anyway, what does it matter if some kids(and adults) wave sticks around and say, "wingardium leviosa"? I did it, and I'm a perfectly....ah. wait. That's not the best example. I'm the exception to the rule because I was already crazy pre HP. Most people I know who read at all started with Harry Potter, and from what I can see none of them are anywhere near my level of crazy so Latimer-Fratimer is just silly. Infact, maybe he's Voldemort in disguise, and he doesn't want Harry Potter to gain anymore support. Me smells a plot about(which smells like baked pumpkin seeds, by the by)
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 11:10 am
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yeah, I guess I know some kids that read HP but didn't really move on to other books... But I also know kids who did. I guess not everyone was affected the same way, but there are definitely a lot of kids who were inspired by Harry Potter to become huge readers, and my cousin is one of them.

Even if it's only a small percentage, I would say that inspiring 1% of the nation's kids to pick up a book deserves some kind of reward. I don't know if the medal of freedom or whatever is the right award, but the witchcraft thing is so ridiculous. How many places in the US tried to ban HP for the same reason?

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 3:09 pm
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I've been trying to find just that...exactly how many challenges there were to Harry Potter over the years. But, the ALA website seems to compile lists and make charts but doesn't provide the raw data. They do say that for every formal reported challenge (the only ones they compile into the stats) there are at least four or five more informal, unreported challenges. So, basically, whatever the number is, there's probably at least four or five times as many actual instances of attempted bannings.

Still searching....
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Around the time that the first HP movie came out, the youth pastor at my church at the time made a halfhearted attempt to discourage kids from getting too much into HP... and I say halfhearted b/c she probably got caught in the middle of the hype of "HP promotes Satanism!" and had to make it seem like she was doing something. Of course, I, as one of her staff members, went to see HP 1 opening day and I wasn't disciplined or anything, so I guess she was in the camp that the arguments were kind of silly to begin with.

Honestly, though, this fear-mongering by the right gets really annoying. Really, though, when it comes down to it, this is the sort of stuff that brings them attention and attention = $$... if we could only find a way to stop people from paying these kind of guys...
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 5:56 am
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I live in the SE United States, and I have never even met a person who believes that HP was anything more than a fantasy series. I didn't like HP or fantasy in general back in the day but I remember several kids at our church bringing the books to church with them. The leadership was just excited to see kids interested in reading.


As far as the fear mongering goes that's just something that goes along with being a politician, although in this case it happens to be the right side of the spectrum making all the noise, I think we all know that both sides have proven that they are more than capable of inspiring unfounded fear, then feeding on it.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 6:22 am
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Patrick wrote:
By the way, it's the last day of this year's Banned Books Week! I should have posted about it before.... Have you read a banned book lately?


As a matter of fact, my daughter and I just read In the Night Kitchen a few days ago. *g*
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Yay!
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